Oct 1, 2019
I often get asked why I chose
Ordinary People Ordinary Things for the name of this podcast. I
wanted to do a podcast, because I like to hear myself talk, and I
have some pretty good things to say along with some ridiculous
things to say. I'm not famous. I'm not wealthy. I'm just ordinary
me, so that's how I named the show. I interview ordinary people,
and chances are, you are ordinary too. Some of the best lessons
I've ever learned were from ordinary people.
When we take a second look, we
realize that the things we do everyday aren't ordinary at all.
Maybe it takes fresh eyes to see that my role as a parent is a
living breathing miracle, and I'm lucky to get to do it. There are
miracles all around us in the ordinary. This is why today's guest
is so important. Lisa Jo Baker is a fangirl of ordinary life,
author, speaker, co-host of the Out of the Ordinary Podcast and
champion of women and Netflix. Lisa-Jo lives just outside of
Washington DC with her husband of over 20 years and 3 of the
loudest kids you've ever heard, and I’m thrilled to talk with her
- [03:34] Lisa-Jo is from South
Africa. She is named after her mom Jo. Her son is Jackson
- [05:28] The designer for the
book cover asked Lisa-Jo for a placeholder photo. This photo ended
up being used on the cover. It captured Lisa-Jo as she really was
while throwing a kids birthday party surrounded by
- [10:00] Lisa-Jo was an attorney
and practiced human rights law in the Ukraine for the
- [10:26] She writes and speaks
and is still an advocate for women. I started blogging and several
books were born out of it.
- [11:16] She went from
advocating as an attorney to being an advocate as a writer. Her
husband is a professor of political science. She also has three
- [12:59] I share the
introduction to Lisa-Jo's book
- [14:39] The middle is the place
where our lives really live.
- [16:43] Most of us live very
ordinary days, but our kids are interested in our stories.
Lisa-Jo's book is like a snapshot of her life. Most of our lives
are lived in the middle.
- [19:35] Lisa-Jo wants to help
women embrace those middle moments. It's about seeing the day not
seizing the day.
- [21:21] It's a challenge to
write or work and still capture those ordinary
- [22:18] Lisa-Jo needs to be
anchored to people who see her real self.
- [25:40] Lisa-Jo shares her
feelings about her muffin top. She is also happy to share her
- [30:01] Nobody is as critical
of us as we are. Women should be proud of their bodies.
- [34:02] We shouldn't let people
put labels on us as teens or college age girls.
- [36:44] We don't have to live
in a storybook. An ordinary love is perfect and
- [40:05] On the outside we age,
but on the inside we feel kind of frozen in time.
- [41:02] Lisa-Jo wants to give
people new glasses and a new way to see their own
- [43:18] Lisa-Jo answers the
rapid fire questions. She loves a South African restaurant called
Spur and eats a mushroom burger.
- [45:03] Friendship is a safe
place with grace and space.
- [48:06] We need to say out loud
that we are paying attention to what matters.
Thanks for joining us on
Ordinary People Ordinary Things. Be sure to
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